wallace pointed out what happened in libya and certainly managed to build the alliances president obama wanted and she has not undermined this president and she has been an effective tool for the house, and he put together a team of rivals, and, to pick up on jeff's point, the democratic base in terms of women and in terms of bill clinton, who became mr. obama's chief surrogate during the last campaign. >> i would simply say those are examples of competent conduct in office, but, look at -- i mean, you mentioned libya. how is that working out for us? how about all the weapons from libya, now in mali? how is that working for us -- excuse me -- and what about syria? how is our policy there succeeding in furthering the cause of democracy -- >> we have ended two wars under her watch, brit. iraq and afghanistan. and she has been critical in managing both of those situations, and -- >> think about it. look at the relationship, required with -- in afghanistan. with hamid karzai. who was the key figure, if there was one, in managing that relationship, john kerry. >> you are under estimating hil